Facts and Rumors Section...

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Facts and Rumors Section...

Postby SJohnson » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:40 pm

With all the Rumors and Truths that go around about these Monster Deer being taken, I thought it would be a good idea to setup a special section on it... I also have setup a special section on the home page where we will list the latest "Rumored Deer" and what we think we know about them...

I will be moving some of the threads over to this section as I see fit... But if you've heard a story or got pics of something everyone wants to know about... This is the section... Let's see it!!
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Re: Facts and Rumors Section...

Postby ChrtruseMajic » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:43 am

Well we definately need to move over the Myrtle Grove Moster story cause that one is a big issue. At least in my mind. Trying to get an award for a deer that wasn't even taken in the state.

I like the idea of this section. I will post a couple in a short time coming.
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Re: Facts and Rumors Section...

Postby ChrtruseMajic » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:54 am

OOOOO. Lets get this one goin. I want to hear what people have to say about this. I know this is from the Deutch Animal Rights site, but it is an interesting site non-the-less in how these animal rights groups are so misinformed. Let me riddle you this:
Hunters contribute to wildlife


Wrong.
Hunters contribute to hunting. Hunters contribute money to hunting in various ways, let's examine them.

Hunting licenses and state stamps. These are sold and the money collected at the state level. The states use 71% of the funds generated by these sources to enforce the hunting regulations of the states (Iowa DNR studies). The remainder are used to improve and maintain state lands for hunting use. Cleaning up after the hunting season, providing parking areas, and even stocking game on state lands for hunters to kill. Illinois stocks pheasants on 8 state parks for hunter's exclusive use as targets. The parks are closed to other uses during the hunting season. Ed Rodniak, manager of the Chain O' Lakes State Park in Lake Co., IL states that carryover (survival) of the birds is "0 %". Those that are not killed by hunters die of exposure to the elements. These are pen raised, hand fed birds.

These fees, then, become reimbursement to the states for regulating and catering to the hunters. It is not "for the wildlife".

Federal stamps. These are issued by the US Fish & Wildlife Service. The money is collected and redistributed to the states, after "an expensive night on the town in Washimgton, DC". After "costs", the states are returned approximately 43% of the funds for "wetland development" and law enforcement. Violation of migratory bird hunting rules is a federal offense, and fines are paid to the federal government, yet the federal government provides no law enforcement. This is done by the states. These funds are used to reimburse the states for the costs of enforcing federal laws with state employees. Wetland projects must be approved in advance, and the project must benefit migratory waterfowl or bird species, these species are, in turn, hunted. No non-game species directly recieve any benefit of these funds.

The Pittman-Robertson Tax. This began in 1937 as a 10% federal excise tax on the sale of rifles, shotguns, and ammunition for them. During WW2, the tax was raised to 11% and has remained at that level. In 1970 the fund was expanded to include handguns, reloading (ammunition) components, boats, outboard motors and fishing equipment. Fisherman and target shooters objected. Only 16% of America's firearms owners are hunters, and less than 10% of fisherman and boaters hunt. They objected to providing funds for hunters. So the act was modified to include lake and river improvement for boat access, public shooting range development, and hunter and boating education classes.

These funds are distributed to states based on a formula of state size (square miles of area) and number of hunting licenses sold. Funds "for wildlife" must be used to benefit huntable species or land open for hunting. When Senator Boxer (D. CA) introduced the "Desert Protection Act", which would have closed hunting on 2 million acres of California desert, the USFWS protested that doing so would make the land ineligible to receive Pitman-Robertson funds. Again the hunters assure the use of the money for their direct benefit.

So, what kind of projects do we get for the generous contributions of hunters? Stocking turkeys where they have never existed before, trading turkeys from Texas to Florida for alligators, to restore the hunter decimated populations of the animals, attempts to introduce elk to the lower penninsula of Michigan for hunting. Attempts to introduce elk to Kentucky. Why? Simple. Hunting has become a tourist industry, and the game departments are the innkeepers of that industry. Kentucky does not want Kentuckians that wish to hunt elk going to Montana or Colorado, not when the federal government will pay to stock the elk in Kentucky. Florida needed turkeys to restore it's decimated population of the native osceola species. Unfortunately Osceola turkeys lived only in Florida. No problem. Trade some alligators to Texas gator hunters for the Rio Grande species of turkey native to Texas. Thus allowing Texans to hunt gators at home and sealing the fate of the few remaining Osceola turkeys. But hey, a turkey is a turkey, and now Florida hunters can kill a turkey right at home.

At the same time states play games to increase their "piece of the pie". Many states used to allow persons under 16 yrs. old, over 65 yrs. old, and landowners to hunt without licenses. Not any more. Now they must have a license, or permit, but they may be charged only a nominal fee for this. Some as low a 50 cents. BUT... it is a license sale, and therefore increases that state's funds... at the expense of another state.

What these funds have done is to make the government game departments, charged with the resources that belong to everyone, the handmaidens of the hunters. We can be assured to have an overabundance of targets for hunters, but no real balance of nature. No balance was ever intended.





Oh how wrong they are. What are your thoughts?
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Re: Facts and Rumors Section...

Postby Ladybowhunter » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:08 am

I love to read about all stories, but it is hard to decide which are true...I will look for your threads, I am new on this forum, and I have a hard time finding things, I will keep looking...
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